Note mousetweaks was part of 3.32 but removed for 3.34.
The functionality was added to gnome-shell

• https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/474

I'd like to include

• nixos/gnome3: default support for color emoji #67215

in here as well, since it is a change to defaults.

As far as I can tell from how things have changed for fontconfig; I'm not expecting any issues from disabling penultimate since I believe that lessened now defunct issues.

I would vote for disabling penultimate by default on NixOS. It is non-standard package causing significant deviations from upstream. If someone wants to have it, they can always enable it.

I would vote for disabling penultimate by default on NixOS. It is non-standard package causing significant deviations from upstream. If someone wants to have it, they can always enable it.

I agree, I've opened #67529 perpendicular to this but included cd51ab5 here.

It seems upstream has moved to Evolution to World so it isn't in core-utilities. We're missing a default email application.

Do we need one? Lot of people use web mails these days.

We could either re-add it or swap it for Geary. I'd recommend the latter, and it seems to already be planned

Works for me, as that is what I use.

Do we want to remove telepathy from the defaults?
It's runtime optional in gnome-shell, though I think for this to work in NixOS we'd have to use sessionPath but it would be limited to the telepathy module. We'd then have to disable the functionality in the default apps.

I would rather keep it for now (at least until they drop support). It would be in line with our custom of building packages with as wide feature set as possible. Though, if it is only a runtime dependency (via GI_TYPELIB_PATH) maybe it would be permissible.

You know my abhorrence of sessionPath, so the only alternative would be something like gnome-shell-with-packages and I am too lazy to implement that. The harder part would actually be the need to decouple gnome-shell from gnome-session and we already need that for Shell-less Flashback so maybe, it is not such a bad idea.

I don't think we should include gnome-boxes default. I'm pretty sure it'd bring in some pretty large dependencies, I don't think a default experience needs a virtual machine application.

I agree with cutting out Boxes for being huge.

Though we do need something in the future for remote desktop viewing.

Does that need to be in core-utils? It feels like a too specialist task to justify such a huge closure.

Add seahorse default. It was recently added to world
My opinion is that it's a useful application for secrets which are already managed default.

How often does one need it though? I run it maybe once a year when Polari somehow stops being able to use the stored passwords and I need to re-enter them manually.

Remove vino

We need to keep it until https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/212 is resolved.

It seems upstream has moved to Evolution to World so it isn't in core-utilities. We're missing a default email application.

Do we need one? Lot of people use web mails these days.

We could either re-add it or swap it for Geary. I'd recommend the latter, and it seems to already be planned

Works for me, as that is what I use.

The traditional suite of applications usually contains some sort of email client.
I guess I'll add Geary 👍 , it's already going fine in Pantheon as a replacement for their in development mail application.

Do we want to remove telepathy from the defaults?
It's runtime optional in gnome-shell, though I think for this to work in NixOS we'd have to use sessionPath but it would be limited to the telepathy module. We'd then have to disable the functionality in the default apps.

I would rather keep it for now (at least until they drop support). It would be in line with our custom of building packages with as wide feature set as possible. Though, if it is only a runtime dependency (via GI_TYPELIB_PATH) maybe it would be permissible.

It does seem they've already dropped it from core

• https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/merge_requests/24

You know my abhorrence of sessionPath, so the only alternative would be something like gnome-shell-with-packages and I am too lazy to implement that. The harder part would actually be the need to decouple gnome-shell from gnome-session and we already need that for Shell-less Flashback so maybe, it is not such a bad idea.

Right, I think if it needs to work that could bleed into the larger scheme we could make it a priority for 3.34 and the next release.

I don't think we should include gnome-boxes default. I'm pretty sure it'd bring in some pretty large dependencies, I don't think a default experience needs a virtual machine application.

I agree with cutting out Boxes for being huge.

Though we do need something in the future for remote desktop viewing.

Does that need to be in core-utils? It feels like a too specialist task to justify such a huge closure.

Yeah, I don't think gnome-boxes is a good candidate to be in core anything because it's so large.
Previously we shipped a remote desktop viewer "vinagre", not sure if there's an equivalent.

Add seahorse default. It was recently added to world
My opinion is that it's a useful application for secrets which are already managed default.

How often does one need it though? I run it maybe once a year when Polari somehow stops being able to use the stored passwords and I need to re-enter them manually.

Well I was thinking, it's a utility linked to gnome-keyring which is a service needed default.
So general use of the tools the DE provides us. Think of it as a utility like baobab which may not get frequent use.

Remove vino

We need to keep it until https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-control-center/issues/212 is resolved.

Ahh, now I see why I was unsure about that. A todo for when it's ready.

Do we want to remove telepathy from the defaults?
It's runtime optional in gnome-shell, though I think for this to work in NixOS we'd have to use sessionPath but it would be limited to the telepathy module. We'd then have to disable the functionality in the default apps.

I would rather keep it for now (at least until they drop support). It would be in line with our custom of building packages with as wide feature set as possible. Though, if it is only a runtime dependency (via GI_TYPELIB_PATH) maybe it would be permissible.

It does seem they've already dropped it from core

* [gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/merge_requests/24](https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/merge_requests/24)

I was looking at it from NixOS perspective – that is dropping support from GNOME Shell code base. Every disabled feature means someone will probably need to rebuild the package with the feature enabled and will not be able to use the binary cache. At least with wrappers we would avoid GNOME Shell rebuild but , until #67546 is fixed, gnome-session will still be affected.

Previously we shipped a remote desktop viewer "vinagre", not sure if there's an equivalent.

I am afraid GNOME decided it belongs into Boxes, so no separate app. Well, we do have Remmina but it is far from lightweight itself.

Well I was thinking, it's a utility linked to gnome-keyring which is a service needed default.
So general use of the tools the DE provides us. Think of it as a utility like baobab which may not get frequent use.

It is pretty small and unobtrusive so I am not against it.

I was looking at it from NixOS perspective – that is dropping support from GNOME Shell code base. Every disabled feature means someone will probably need to rebuild the package with the feature enabled and will not be able to use the binary cache. At least with wrappers we would avoid GNOME Shell rebuild but , until #67546 is fixed, gnome-session will still be affected.

True, rebuilding anything is particually unattractive. Especially when it's just to change the executable wrapper. Also just realized decoupling gnome-shell from gnome-session would benefit Pantheon as it uses gnome-session.

Previously we shipped a remote desktop viewer "vinagre", not sure if there's an equivalent.

I am afraid GNOME decided it belongs into Boxes, so no separate app. Well, we do have Remmina but it is far from lightweight itself.

I just did some research and it appears Ubuntu shares the same sentiment towards Boxes and the default session. They actually ship Remmina.

Though it's only a slight improvement in NixOS

❯ nix path-info -Sh nixpkgs.gnome3.gnome-boxes                                                                                                                       
/nix/store/lafjx4kmh8s2kajbqcy8brlz1k4ifdqj-gnome-boxes-3.32.1	   1.3G

❯ nix path-info -Sh nixpkgs.remmina                                                                                                                                  
/nix/store/l9260dv356ra8ka9766k6miv4wz1f84m-remmina-1.3.4	 946.3M

I wonder how much of that we get for free.

Well I was thinking, it's a utility linked to gnome-keyring which is a service needed default.
So general use of the tools the DE provides us. Think of it as a utility like baobab which may not get frequent use.

It is pretty small and unobtrusive so I am not against it.

Will add 👍

Re-added seahorse, cleaned up its module and renamed it to programs ba8a53e

Added release notes @jtojnar (maybe they could be better?). We should merge with, #67667.