Good catch!

I thought about it a bit more, and actually the result is obviously sign-extended, but I believe the issues is related to the width of the result. The result of negating an 8-bit number is a 9-bit number, and the result we get from the cat case only has 8 correct bits. Maybe there is some code that understandably but incorrectly assumes the result of a negation does not increase the width. (recall that the range of a signed number is -2^n to 2^n-1, so negating 10000000 would overflow and produce 10000000)

Is there an easy way to confirm this bug is specific to pysim? I see there are many backends, but not sure how easy it is to simulate their output from within Python, or you'd have to write say a whole Verilog testbench and run it in verilator.

Maybe there is some code that understandably but incorrectly assumes the result of a negation does not increase the width.

The only place where this happens is here: https://github.com/nmigen/nmigen/blob/73f672f57c606ac29087ffb09c43a7e4d9a9dfc6/nmigen/hdl/ast.py#L678-L679

you'd have to write say a whole Verilog testbench and run it in verilator.

This.

I added some debugging:

(const 8'sd-3) signed(8)
compile ((b'result = -3\n', '<string>'),)
-0b11
compile ((b'result = (--3)\n', '<string>'),)
0b11
(s (cat (const 8'sd-3))) signed(8)
compile ((b'result = (((-3 & 255) << 0))\n', '<string>'),)
-0b11
compile ((b'result = (-(((-3 & 255) << 0)))\n', '<string>'),)
-0b11111101

I believe this mask originates here

https://github.com/nmigen/nmigen/blob/30e2f91176edcd1c8766c2cb11f413b9c77936b9/nmigen/sim/_pyrtl.py#L183-L192

I'm not sure exactly what is going on with the masking and what would be the correct solution.

Looks like .as_signed() gets ignored in the second case; the masking for Cat seems fine.

What effect is .as_signed() expected to have on the Python side?
https://github.com/nmigen/nmigen/blob/30e2f91176edcd1c8766c2cb11f413b9c77936b9/nmigen/sim/_pyrtl.py#L129-L131

I don't think the masking is fine. It's basically masked to 8 bits, then negated, and then 9 bits of the result are used, leaving the MSB inverted. But maybe something else is missing.

What effect is .as_signed() expected to have on the Python side?

None; exactly as the comment says. Treating the bits as signed or unsigned doesn't change the bits, it changes how the bits are treated by arithmetic operations that follow.

I don't think the masking is fine.

The masking code performed by Cat is fine because Cat doesn't care about bitness at all, neither for its inputs (which it does not extend and does not perform arithmetics on) nor for its output (which is treated as unsigned). There's of course still a bug somewhere else.

(The bug was in the implementation of negation.)

Thank you)))