Actually, it's quite a reasonable request considering OC has ore processing now.

You giant i386 fanatic. >:O Down with ATX! Viva la Amiga!

Amiga Computers are also a possibility as an addon, custom cases/items/architectures are possible already. This is just to clean up and re factor the current machines.

I see one problem with that:
MORE micro-crafting.

Sorry but micro-crafting IMHO does not make mod more newbie-friendly. Spent 10min throwing items around crafting table, Oh it is wrong item, looks like you will have to spend 10 more.

P.S. That is probably the biggest wall of text I have ever seen on OC's GitHub.

@Kubuxu Seriously?

Yes, exactly! the more micro-crafting time wasting that we can do will help to kill off the weak and let the strong survive in peace. It's like a rite of passage.

How about some PowerPC components? We need MOAR diversity! Or RISC and CISC CPU's so I can build my own calculator (CISC of course)!

If I could sticky this, I would.

While this would be fun in some ways, it would not be fun in others.
One problem is that filesystems as "blobs of data" would make it harder for some people to write programs, as using an external text editor is much more convient, especially for programs meant to run at boot (init.lua).

@skyem123 You don't get it, do you? 💫

@Vexatos huh?

Everyone please leave. This would work well as an addon, like GregTech is an addon to IC2.

@gamax92 How about also adding the ability for small boards to be used as computers themselves? Kind of like a Raspberry Pi or an Arduino (i.e. single-board MCUs and single-board computers).

Most of this sounds tedious. Adding pointless recipes that don't improve the depth of the mod, which to me is more about the engineering challenges. I would rather have to figure out how to overcome hardware limitations to do new, interesting, and useful things than use NEI to mash out more recipes for the sake of "realism". Only part I am in favour of is bit rot to give the RAID array more of a use (I have yet to run into disk space issues.).

i also support the idea of micro-crafting computer parts and even having shit like the fans/ram/hard drives/cpus break over time or, rather, more-likely to break after a certain time of over-heating once the fans stop working. say, the fans can last upto x-number of days, and if they aren't replaced and the computer begins to overheat, the components NBT data takes damage...and after a certain threshold of damage, the computer fails to boot.
Additionally, there can be a repair-mechanic added in to replace parts or use portions of parts to rebuild/fix it.

@fnuecke Better lock this before stuff happens.

I like the idea of file systems being blobs of data, though I can see why that'd be an undesirable implementation.
I don't know if fnuecke would add it, but I feel like a lot of people would be in favor of the graphics mode for graphics cards.
Internet cards really should be able to send UDP packets.

I think the limitation to TCP is to stop DOSing. Since you have to get a reply and actually establish a connection to send data over TCP, but I could be wrong.

@Vexatos nah, it's a great place to trap all these ideas.

Regarding UDP: misuse could be held in check by throttling the speed at which the respective send method could be called. The actual reason it's no in, is that I really don't see much of a point in it, since receiving UDP packets will never be added (server sockets opened by user code? I'd rather not).
If you can show me a few good use-cases, I might consider it.

For blob FSes, use tapes :P

Y'all go join the Glorious Tape Drive Masterrace! 😎

100% Agree.
We're made of the same blood.

I want dis. @fnuecke i'll kill you if you close this.

Woah there sir, no need to make death threats, joking or not.

This one really is exciting.

Sorry for being rude, I'm really not good at all this, but let's be straightforward. Micro-crafting, seriously? It's not 2009 anymore, we have many tools to automate that: from automatic crafting tables that do one recipe at a time to sophisticated systems that can even calculate required amount of resources and do necessary crafts in order to make more complex items in single click of mouse. Isn't that what progress is about, getting rid of unnecessary work while increasing the number of features your mechanisms support? Nobody makes you do all this crafting yourself. Nowadays it's hardly possible to have just one mod installed so is it really that hard to find a place for, say, Buildcraft if you're lazy? This reason for not adding some of listed things to OC as either an addon (which is preferable indeed until everything settles) or built-in sounds to me like a conservative attempt to humiliate all those who took part in making this mod better including OP and devs. People are not that foolish, they know about this micro-crafting so called problems. Instead of complaining, be constructive or even go implement autocrafting in OC (in case you forgot, it's possible: drones can craft). Can we now move on to more important things?

The main issue with micro-crafting is striking a balance between both extremes (next to none on one end and GregTech-y on the other). OC is in a good place balance-wise, with some realistic elements.

While adding more realism to the mod makes it more interesting, you would have to be careful not to go overboard. There are limits beyond which the realism interferes with the gameplay, making it less fun. Auto-crafting requires a fair bit of setup before it can be automated (AE2 for instance, requires you to craft all of the steps manually in order to encode the patterns - at least, in my experience). The more micro-crafting steps you add, the more tedious the setup becomes. Multiply that by all of the items that would require auto-crafting. The second issue with more steps is time taken to craft - recipes and patterns will need to be arranged in just the right way to be able to auto-craft components in parallel and assemble them. More steps = more time, generally.

I'm in favour of adding more features in the same flavour as current crafting recipes in OC (most components only require about 3-4 crafting steps at most), but not going overboard with the realism (damage over time, etc).

Yep. Ironically, data blobs for disks DID end up getting implemented as unmanaged disks.

+1

@MFernflower, gamax really has nothing better to do 90% of the time other than come up with crazy shit like this.. Though, just like data blobs, some of the shit really is getting added in one way or another, though 99% of the really crazy shit is staying on the floor lol.

While this whole thing was a shitty legpull. - Some of the less crazy stuff talked about (RTC module, SSD, Custom circuitry + SBC's, Etc) could be useful - provided that @fnuecke wants to/can find a way to implement it

This thread was for discussing this sort of ideas, and it still is. Even
though op was a joke, its still a suggestion thread.

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If this kind of component breaking does get implemented, make sure to either make the creative computers case not break its components, or make a tier -1 (creative) of everything that doesnt break

The component breaking thing will like never be added to OC itself while on default settings. If your activate hardmode, that might be another thing entirely, at least then it would make sense.

Why not separate Computer case and motherboard
Add more types of motherboard in which different types, features and roles
Heat is also make it better. ODD (Optical Disk Drives) + USB Flash Drives and RAID Controller (RAID 0, 1 and 10)

#1715 might increase complexity a little

YES YOU LEGEND. WE NEED THIS! Ps. also add 486 DX2s thnx

I think this would be quite a clever addon so that people have the choice to go simpler or more advanced in the playstyle. Overall a very good idea.

Maybe the damage thing could be implemented with a button in the mod settings for , but I love the ideas listed under "Cases should be more complex" in the original post. As for micro-crafting, though, save for an addon.

The actual reason it's no in, is that I really don't see much of a point in it, since receiving UDP packets will never be added (server sockets opened by user code? I'd rather not).
If you can show me a few good use-cases, I might consider it.

The only way data can be sent over a network from OS (win/lin) is to open a socket, even for a TCP. Calling bind or listen should not be allowed thou.
Example UDP: reading time of a timeserver.

TCP is no better than UDP. Allowing TCP connections to be established does expose improperly configured services on the server local network or localhost to attacks. Some (broken) os services assume localhost to be secure and allow connections from localhost or local network to access privileged stuff. Or allowing attacker to use MC+OC server as proxy, to hide his identity, for another attack.

It's worth noting that OC blocks any connection to local addresses by default

Admittedly, a large portion of my issue with OC complexity is being fixed (at least in theory, I'm currently not playing MC and so I'm only really trying to stay more passively aware of the community for the mods I enjoy) by the wiki/documentation problems. When I moved from computercraft to opencomputers I enjoyed the increased complexity the came with, but the documentation with a bit outdated which made getting everything up and running initially a pain. If I felt more confident in the wiki staying up to date, I'd probably have no issue with some of these changes... but I also just don't see a particularly good reason. I think the mod currently strikes a good balance. There's complexity to utilize it, and is functionally it's balancing point. In order to get the benefits you have to be able to understand enough about computers to be able to put one together and write the programs that make it work.

Frankly I'm not a fan of component wear-out, adding un-needed tedium, and other such nonsense. This is a game. I'd totally get it as a plugin or something, but most of these suggestions would make me just not use the mod if implemented without the ability to turn it off. Also, the data loss bits in the HDD stuff... that is why RL computers with important data use RAID.

Plus if data loss in a game gets to being an annoying part of the mix, I'd want a way to implement cold spares, backup systems with failure detection and restoration systems. Like the real world that people tend to want to implement but only the idiotic parts of. And since material scarcity in minecraft is trivial to overcome, I could just make a self-replicating backup/storage system that slowly eats the world....

So yeah, please keep the mod away from the ideas of the masochists, and let the gamers have some fun with it :D